NVM guys u were right

posted on 2011-11-18 20:07:02
It completely has to do with me sucking as a player and not anything else.

I mean, when I switch out a GOOD spear and get lower damage, or when I switch out an axe and get lower damage than bare handed, clearly I'm the one failing.





<352hp dirt hunter
A big game hunter is blinded by the dirt in its eyes!
Your kicked dirt scratches a big game hunter.
A big game hunter has a few scratches.

<364hp
Your shield wobbles and barely deflects a big game hunter's charge.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your punch maims a big game hunter!
Your punch maims a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has a few scratches.

<364hp wear throw

A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your shield jolts under a big game hunter's charge, but holds.
Your punch maims a big game hunter!
Your punch misses a big game hunter.
Your punch MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has some small wounds and bruises.

<364hp You wield a throwing axe.
You are skilled with a throwing axe.
A big game hunter has some small wounds and bruises.

<364hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge decimates you!
Your slice maims a big game hunter!
Your slice maims a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has some small wounds and bruises.

<336hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice maims a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has quite a few wounds.

<336hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter tries to disarm you, but fails.
Your slice MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has quite a few wounds.

<336hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your slice maims a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has quite a few wounds.

<336hp
You block a big game hunter's attack with your shield.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice maims a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has quite a few wounds.

<336hp
A big game hunter rubs the dirt out of its eyes.
You parry a big game hunter's charge.
A big game hunter's charge devastates you!
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<306hp
You awkwardly parry a big game hunter's charge with a loud clang.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your slice decimates a big game hunter!
Your slice MUTILATES a big game hunter!
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
A big game hunter has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<306hp
You block a big game hunter's attack with your shield.
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
Your slice devastates a big game hunter!
A big game hunter looks pretty hurt.

<306hp rem throw
You stop wielding a throwing axe.
A big game hunter has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<314hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
A big game hunter's charge devastates you!
Your punch MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter looks pretty hurt.

<284hp
You block a big game hunter's attack with your shield.
Your punch MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter looks pretty hurt.

<284hp
You block a big game hunter's attack with your shield.
Your punch MUTILATES a big game hunter!
A big game hunter looks pretty hurt.

<284hp
A big game hunter's charge devastates you!
Your shield jolts under a big game hunter's charge, but holds.
Your punch misses a big game hunter.
A big game hunter looks pretty hurt.

<253hp
A big game hunter's charge decimates you!
Your shield jolts under a big game hunter's charge, but holds.
You have become better at hand to hand!
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a big game hunter!
A big game hunter is in awful condition.

<226hp
A big game hunter's charge decimates you!
A big game hunter's charge decimates you!
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a big game hunter!
A big game hunter is in awful condition.

<174hp
A big game hunter's charge misses you.
Your punch MUTILATES a big game hunter!
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a big game hunter!
A big game hunter is in awful condition.

<174hp
A big game hunter's charge decimates you!
A big game hunter's charge devastates you!
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a big game hunter!
A big game hunter is DEAD!!
You receive 8 experience points.
You hear a big game hunter's death cry.
You get 189 gold coins from the corpse of a big game hunter.
The Overlord gives you 27 gold coins for your sacrifice.

<125hp
The night is about to end

<159hp vamp ram
Your vampiric touch wounds a long horned ram.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
A long horned ram's charge decimates you!
Your charge devastates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has a few scratches.

<147hp
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
Your charge devastates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some small wounds and bruises.

<147hp vamp ram
Your vampiric touch decimates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some small wounds and bruises.

<164hp
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
A long horned ram's charge decimates you!
Your charge MUTILATES a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some small wounds and bruises.

<138hp 354m 223mv> vamp ram
Your vampiric touch mauls a long horned ram.
A long horned ram has some small wounds and bruises.

<152hp 324m 223mv> vamp ram

A long horned ram's charge mauls you.
A long horned ram's charge decimates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Your charge MUTILATES a long horned ram!
Your charge MUTILATES a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has quite a few wounds.

<101hp 324m 223mv> Your vampiric touch devastates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has quite a few wounds.

<121hp
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
You awkwardly parry a long horned ram's charge with a loud clang.
Your charge devastates a long horned ram!
Your charge DISEMBOWELS a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has quite a few wounds.

<121hp vamp ram
Your vampiric touch wounds a long horned ram.
A long horned ram has quite a few wounds.

<134hp
A long horned ram's charge mauls you.
A long horned ram's charge mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Your charge MUTILATES a long horned ram!
A long horned ram manages to dodge your charge with a lot of effort.
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<88hp vamp ram

A long horned ram's charge misses you.
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
Your charge devastates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<88hp Your vampiric touch decimates a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<105hp
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your charge maims a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<105hp 234m rem spear
You stop wielding a finely crafted hunting spear.
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<105hp 234m
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your punch MUTILATES a long horned ram!
A long horned ram manages to dodge your punch with a lot of effort.
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<105hp 234m
A long horned ram's charge decimates you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a long horned ram!
A long horned ram looks pretty hurt.

<85hp 239m
A long horned ram's charge mauls you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
You flee from combat!
You lost 10 experience points.
The trail through Mount Rainer



<139hp


You are using:
a Red Claw signet ring
a Red Claw signet ring
a red dragonhelm
(Glowing) a glowing suit of banded mail
red dragon arm guards
a pair of red dragon claws
red dragonscale leggings
a pair of a red dragon's rear claws
the red dragon shield
a chameleon poncho


<353hp s
The trail through Mount Rainer

[Exits: north south]
A nice looking hat is here
A long horned ram is here, looking for grass to eat.
A long horned ram screams and attacks you!
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
Your shield absorbs the impact of a long horned ram's charge easily.
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<353hp s
No way! You are still fighting!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<353hp No way! You are still fighting!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<353hp
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
A long horned ram's charge hits you.
Your punch MUTILATES a long horned ram!
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<342hp dirt
Your kicked dirt misses a long horned ram.
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<342hp
A long horned ram's charge hits you.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your punch DISEMBOWELS a long horned ram!
A long horned ram has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

<330hp
A long horned ram's charge hits you.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your punch MUTILATES a long horned ram!
A long horned ram looks pretty hurt.

<318hp wear spear
You wield a finely crafted hunting spear.
You are skilled with a finely crafted hunting spear.
A long horned ram looks pretty hurt.

<318hp
A long horned ram's charge hits you.
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
Your charge misses a long horned ram.
Your charge maims a long horned ram!
A long horned ram looks pretty hurt.

<306hp
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your charge maims a long horned ram!
A long horned ram looks pretty hurt.

<306hp
A long horned ram's charge hits you.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
Your charge MUTILATES a long horned ram!
Your charge DISEMBOWELS a long horned ram!
A long horned ram is in awful condition.

<296hp wear throw
You stop wielding a finely crafted hunting spear.
You wield a throwing axe.
You are skilled with a throwing axe.
A long horned ram is in awful condition.

<296hp
You parry a long horned ram's charge.
A long horned ram's charge misses you.
A long horned ram manages to dodge your slice with a lot of effort.
Your slice maims a long horned ram!
A long horned ram is in awful condition.

<296hp
You block a long horned ram's attack with your shield.
You deflect a long horned ram's charge aside in an ungraceful parry.
Your slice devastates a long horned ram!
Your slice maims a long horned ram!
A long horned ram is DEAD!!
You receive 1 experience points.
You hear a long horned ram's death cry.
The Overlord gives you 25 gold coins for your sacrifice.




Counted:

Punches.

maim: 2
DISEMBOWEL: 7
MUTILATE: 8

throwig axes.
devastates (shit tier): 9
maim: 5
decimate: 1
MUTILATE: 3

Finely crafted spears:
devastates (shit tier): 4
maim: 2
MUTILATE: 4
DISEMBOWEL: 2


The quality of damage is better with bare fucking hands than with a

Object 'hunting spear' is type weapon, material wood.
Extra flags: none.
Weight is 15 lbs, value is 1000, level is 20.
Weapon type is spear.
Damage is 7-28 (average 17).

what. the. fuck. Know what I men? What this is is penalties to damage for wearing weapons! This only supposed to happen with shit weapons like goblin shorts or large spears from goblins and things that have really bad average.
  1. kragnar NVM guys u were right -
    so I guess no one has explained to you what RNG is eh? The fact that dmg is based on an avg roll between a certain amount of dice rolled with a certain amount of sides per dice, for a RANDOM number, meaning that if the RNG wants to fuck you, you could be doing minimum damage every single time you swing, ITS RANDOM ya nub now stop flaming on this logboard. You want to proove something, li8ke I said in the previous bullshit post you put up, 10 rounds of combat doesnt fucking proove anything, when dav fixed lag skills 3 weeks ago, it was because someone grappled over 100 times and counted only 5-10 landed, thats over 200 rounds of combat, compared to you know, your piddly 15 rounds of combat that you have posted, you want something done about fucking put up or shut up
  2. Navizarian NVM guys u were right -
    I have to agree with Kragnar here on this. If you have studied Statistical Theory at an undergraduate level, you would understand why you need a large sample size to prove your hypothesis.
  3. Nadrin NVM guys u were right -
    And as was stated before. The Imms do not traffick this forum or Police it, or even care about your self edited text. They hold very little regard to this stuff at all. If you want something done, put in the time and effort and put it on the FORUM, not invokation. this is for logs and enjoyment not your whiny bitchiness.
  4. Jluppy NVM guys u were right -
    whats the statistical possibility say of those punches putting out the same damage every time u switch from a weapon to bare hand, and then when u switch back to weapon the damage is much lower again, and then when u switch back to bare hand, the damage is back to where it was.

    statistically, thats a 3,478,291 chance. its more likely that punches are doing more damage. you also think that this sample isn't based off of long term observed results?
  5. morgit NVM guys u were right -
    It does appear from this log that hand to hand is outperforming weapons. Lets not get carried away with the whole statistical analyses thing. Of course there are things like weapon proficiencies that may factor into it. Also, what axe, what spear etc...

    What you should do is go ahead and kill the hunter barehanded five times, kill it with a decent weapon (that you show) five times, log the whole thing and post it in the bug section of the AR forums. If there is a problem I'm sure they'll look at it.
  6. Jluppy NVM guys u were right -
    morgit you're the most level headed person. thank you.

    The finely crafted spear used here is a 1 handed weapon that comes from level 31-36 mobs on the trail to shadanguadflsdfu whatever you call it. It is one of the better non-rare spears as it averages 17.

    the moss covered swords average 15.

    the goblin weapons were supposed to be decent starter weapons. If you take gimp weapons like goblin short sword or those goblin long spears you lose a lot of damage because enhanced damage with your fist is actually better.

    For a 17 average spear to be doing less damage than hand to hand just boggles the mind.

    This same thing happens if you ever happen to roll a giant warrior. you can bash faces from level 1 with huge damage. put on a weapon and you're gimp. This is supposed to level out by getting goblin weaps and progressing from there.

    Maybe I should just start fighting bare hand and shield... sigh.
  7. rezakhan NVM guys u were right -
    Umm, if I remember correctly, hand to hand always did more damage than mid-range weapons. If you want to try running around fighting with no weapon, go right ahead--you'll soon learn there are plenty of reasons to wear a weapon other than damage.
  8. Nadrin NVM guys u were right -
    Like parry....
  9. Kapruski NVM guys u were right -
    parry still works with hand to hand. it reduces damage instead of completely blocking it.
  10. Narcana NVM guys u were right -
    If I remember monks correctly (they're one of the two things I read the most about in logs and comments (other being vampires)), they were removed because of the introduction of a new combat module. Read: BEFORE combat/weapon style mattered (existed even).

    What the module introduced was the concept of certain combat styles being superior to others, and that there's the ability to use these advantages. Likewise with weapons. Now, monks had the ability to parry with both hands, which is basically a free parry and dual parry.

    Hand to hand sacrifices weapon style while making it impossible to be raked/disarmed (what IS there to rake or disarm?). Mainly hand to hand is important if you're one of the following:

    1. You plan to join Strife without first joining a cabal. (you'll need 100% hand to hand and 100% parry, unless it's been changed).

    2. You either plan to fight monks or have to fight monks. Right now we only have Sen, unless she's dead in which case this doesn't apply. However, when monks were able to be created, I've heard that mastering hand to hand was a must. Take a look at Sen's logs against Dydric for example. Sen was hitting almost every time.

    3. You either are an illithid, or fight/plan to fight illithids. (likely applies to anybody fighting Nagisslhu lately.)

    As far as hand to hand itself is concerned, it does do decent damage. No worrying about weapon type advantage, so you ignore the defenses aside from armour class. At least, you won't find your attacks being blocked as often from (dual) parry, not sure about dodged. Shield block is not related to hitroll or weapon style (though axes can bypass it).
  11. Nadrin NVM guys u were right -
    lol. Hand to hand is good for disarming someone, being able to better parry against them. Same thing, its good for being disarmed personally. its not JUST for monks or Illithids.
  12. Vertas NVM guys u were right -
    Interesting that spears overcome dodge, axes overcome shield block, weapon type overcomes parry, but there isn't anything to overcome dual parry.
  13. Jluppy NVM guys u were right -
    enhanced damage was lost of off hand weapons so theres your trade off unless ninja or ranger and then you get both enhanced.
  14. Narcana NVM guys u were right -
    Nadrin...

    As far as MASTERING it, there are four reasons to master hand to hand.

    1. Joining Strife;
    2. To fight monks, or counter them;
    3. Likewise with illithids;
    4. You just feel like it.

    And I never said anything about my reasons being the only ones to use hand to hand. So **** off. You still mad that I blocked you on Skype and ignored Taelrask? You're not a true leader. Dhua knows more than you, and on top of that she always treated me with respect. You made fun of my equipment and snickered at me, and that's why I ignored you.

    And I doubt you know of the Jester's Riddle or the probable answer to the riddle. That riddle (and perhaps its answer) was one of the more fascinating things I came across. Too bad I didn't record the riddle. I found what I firmly believe is the answer. (Hey, I'm an academic, and also a Mensa member. If you didn't read my character's background, you missed out on understanding both me and my character.)
  15. anonymous NVM guys u were right -
    ah. bromance.
  16. Nadrin NVM guys u were right -
    You make me laugh Narcana. You make retarded choices on gear, someone offers to help you upgrade it and snickers when you decline saying you like your gear and then don't talk to them for the rest of the time you play that character? You get so butthurt about someone laughing at you in a game that you stop what your doing everytime they come around, and recall at the sight of them, and then quit out 90% of the time? Im glad my snickering had such a strong effect. Someone needs to not be so emotional about a game. I could care less that you didnt talk to Taelrask. Your character was by far the most annoying character I have ever met. EACH one of your characters is the same, so no matter what you play everyone knows who you are. It cracks me up. You claimed to know it was me because I snickered a lot? Thats hilarious. Go on keep playing in your own little world and enjoy yourself. Chances are I will be laughing at you many more times in the future, so you might want to invest in a thicker skin or your going to have a lot of sleepless nights :P
  17. Jluppy NVM guys u were right -
    \tIm talking i tried that, and it only allows you ONE cast of standard unholy at 30.

    ALSO, if everyone here is stating that the game is NOT balanced below 50 and deal with it...

    Why is there also combo cost disadvantages?
    Why is there also skills and spells that you only get at certain ranks in the life of a character?

    Clearly because these are forms of balancing. And yet we can see that ninja vs DK is so assfucking one sided. Is the problem that DKs are underpowered at low levels or that ninjas are overpowered at low levels?

    If one or the other, it can be fixed by changing skills, changing the damage output of autolag skills like uncanny, etc, or changing the cost of these two combos to reflect their ninja OP vs their DK UP.

    Now, hybrids are absolutely wasted by lag skills. They have mage level health, they have cleric level defenses AT BEST, and they have no weapon ward, so they MUST play the switching weapons game WHILE ALSO playing the spam aff game. don't believe dks are aff spammers? Thats what davars have repeatedly said he wants from them.

    Just like paladin, dk suffer bad from getting lagged. they cant cast spells, they can't switch styles, and their two defenses and lack of protective shield, weapon ward, and other defense spells means they are very vulnerable to all the auto-abilities ninjas get for spamming one or two of their weapon skills.

    I Really like how you guys are all ignoring the blindingly obvious because it upsets your little egocentric world that you actually have skill, when we know its simply because the ninja class is bullshit and dk being gimp doesn't make it much better.
    \t

    If the game is supposed to be about skill, why are you defending a setup that allows for hellstream damage AND autolag AND also possibly auto-dirt kicks, at such low level?

    wasn't there a recent ninja who raped everyone at 50? Over and over?
  18. Jluppy NVM guys u were right -
    lets say that since hybrids have only 2 defenses and low health, they are at -1 or -2 on the scale of balance where 0 means perfect.

    if ninjas are +3, you're looking at a much higher discrepancy than you see from normal fights.

    you know how many DKs are made DAILY like clockwork? ANd who of these dark kinghts actually goes on to 50? When was the last 50 dark knight you ever saw? And if you saw one or two, especially in justice where they can only do well, what ratio is that compared to how many ninjas or shamans or warriors you see at 50?

    you guys think dark knights are fine? prove me wrong. get to 50 with one. I have yet to see ANY logs on here where a dark knight is actaully doing mediocre, let alone well.

    Prove me wrong, as I have posted prove I'm right. when one side forwards evidence, its up to you to destroy wit wit evidence of your own, not theorycraft and fingers in your ears.