Dark Knights are shit tier.

posted on 2011-11-14 22:19:45
Lets disregard the fact that dark knights had dodge removed and weren't given another RNG ability to avoid damage for a moment. Lets also disregard that Ygin thoroughly assraped people, from HIGH HP warriors to everyone else, and dark knights get ZERO combat auto or manual style or weapon type skills.

http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7156
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7177
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7172
http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6941

lets disregard that these are the last 4 dead dark knights all with godly bad amounts of deaths.

You guys want to know the real reason why dark knights are forever fucked? Here it is.

410hp s

Simura walks in.
The Dark Path
You are hemmed in by trees on either side of you. The path continues
north and south, and while is much to thick to explore west, you can head
off into the woods to the east.

[Exits: north east south]

410hp quaff pur
You quaff a purple potion.
You aren't blind.
You are surrounded by a white aura.

410hp n
murder Simura
Muddy Ground
The ground is quite muddy here and puddles are all around. Your boots make
a disgusting SQUISH as you walk here. You can go in any of the four
cardinal directions from here. Hopefully, it will be dryer.

[Exits: north east south west]
(White Aura) Simura the Uki Goshi is here.

410hp
Your cleave decimates Simura!
Simura has a few scratches.

410hp Simura kicks dirt in your eyes!
Simura's kicked dirt scratches you.
You can't see a thing!

406hp fbal

You parry someone's flaming bite.
Your cleave devastates someone!
Someone nimbly dodges your cleave with a practiced maneuver.

406hp Your fireball decimates someone!

406hp
You rub the dirt out of your eyes.
You brace against your armor to perform a two-handed set parry.
You deflect Simura's flaming bite aside in an ungraceful parry.
You thrust Simura's flaming bite aside in a skillful parry.
Simura deflects your cleave aside in an ungraceful parry.
Simura awkwardly parries your cleave with a loud clang.
Simura has some small wounds and bruises.

406hp
Simura sidesteps completely around you to stab you from behind.
Simura's sidestep MANGLES you!
As you reel in pain, Simura ducks in low to trip you.
Simura trips you and you go down!
Simura's trip scratches you.
Simura has some small wounds and bruises.

323hp fbal

You parry Simura's flaming bite.
Simura's flaming bite decimates you!
Simura dodges your cleave.
Your cleave decimates Simura!
Simura has some small wounds and bruises.

295hp Your fireball decimates Simura!
Simura has quite a few wounds.

295hp
Simura's flaming bite decimates you!
Simura's flaming bite maims you!
Simura deftly performs a counterbalance evasion.
Simura couldn't dodge your cleave but you miss by inches.
Simura dodges your cleave.
Simura has quite a few wounds.

235hp
Simura sidesteps completely around you to stab you from behind.
Simura's sidestep MANGLES you!
As you reel in pain, Simura ducks in low to trip you.
Simura trips you and you go down!
Simura's trip scratches you.
Simura has quite a few wounds.

142hp harm

You parry Simura's flaming bite with an easy flourish.
Simura dodges your cleave.
Simura has quite a few wounds.

142hp Your harm spell DISMEMBERS Simura!
Simura has quite a few wounds.

142hp
Simura's weapon advantage overcomes your parry attempt.
Simura's flaming bite decimates you!
Your cleave mauls Simura.
Simura has quite a few wounds.

117hp flee

Simura sidesteps completely around you to stab you from behind.
Simura's sidestep MANGLES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You flee from combat!
You lost 10 experience points.
Near the Mountains
The most prominent feature here is the mountains that lie to the east.
You can only go north and west from here as the rocks stop all other
movement.

[Exits: north west]

24hp
Your body convulses in pain as you are torn from the power!
You feel suddenly overburdened by weight.


Post note: this is one fight out of about twelve. Of those twelve, only one went well enough that the ninja had to flee at 60% health to go and perma-hide beside valour guards.

Look at the damage of 28-30 damage roll.

yep I harmed. At that point I was out of options. The imms want dark knights to be aff spamming third attackers.. tell me how the fuck that works with less health than a ninja and vulnerability to nuke damage and getting tripped so you're lagged?

this fucking class pisses me off. its a waste of time. I'm glad I was never 50 with one while ygin was around.

Your cleave mauls Simura.
Your cleave decimates Simura!

I'm using an average 17 fucking two hander polearm. I'm frenzied.
  1. tayyah Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    so... your using a shaft two hander against blade defensive and wondering why you got shit kicked? I think thats pretty obvious what went wrong here. As well, the game is "balanced" (quotes because that statement is debatable) at lvl 50, not mid range, there is certain classes that will rape you at lower lvls just simply because to be balanced at 50 theres bound to be unbalance at earlier ranks. Next time, try switching your weapon maybe? or maybe combat style change, just wondering. Also whats with all these people hiding prompts now, IMO if your too fucking scared to post your prompt dont even bother posting a log, because your only annoying people.
  2. rezakhan Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Adding to what Tayyah said (because the main reason you got shitkicked is the sidestep spam, which you can avoid by just using a claymore or something), hitroll also matters--you didn't have a single round where you hit him more than once, and several where you didn't hit him at all. Also, why not charge with a polearm? Definitely at the beginning, and fleeing and repeating it would crank up your damage considerably.
  3. cryith Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    if he would of used a claymore or something he would invite the other combat skills like uncanny which makes it where he gets no attacks unless set parry stops the rakes. Then if he would of used a segment weapon it would be clobber which has the disarm and dirt affect if it lands.
  4. iolo Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    You didn't skirmish.
    You didn't change weapons to negate his sidestepping.

    Those are why you lost, not the lack of dodge.
  5. iolo Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Three of us posted comments in the same second, so it looks like I'm piggybacking on what the others said. :\\
  6. morgit Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Two handed blade isn't too bad an idea. Rez is right. Charge/flee, so uncanny is pretty much irrelevant. one handed uncanny vs two handed blade isn't too much of a problem that way.

    fireball spam is not exactly the way to go here. Try poison, plague, curse between charges.

    That polearm may or may not be any good for your rank, (whatever it is) but the rest of your gear couldn't have been too great because he was hitting harder than you, and you were pumped on unholy strength.

    All that said, yes, it is REALLY tough to make a DK work. It can be done though, Worrokk comes to mind, even though he deleted pretty fast.
  7. rezakhan Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Yeah, if he wears a blade he could be uncannied, or if he wears a segment he could be clobbered. Shocker--weapon skills work the way they're supposed to. Dark knights aren't mages; they don't get ward to stop the skills. That's the point of weapon switching--to mix it up and get the advantage. My point is that instead of standing there eating mangles and trips from sidestep, he should have done something else. He goes to claymore, the ninja goes to exotic, and he goes back to polearm. At least try to get a few rounds in without being disadvantaged.
  8. Jluppy Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Look fuckers.

    http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3772&highlight=dark+knight
    http://abandonedrealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5488&highlight=dark+knight

    iolo, I skirmish, Im not using my spells. Thats what dark knights are. they spam aff. even davey says that.

    cyrith is correct. two hand blade leads to no attacks. I recover from the trip fast enough for the auto lag skill, whoever thought auto lag skills added was a good idea is retarded, to wear off.

    rez you're right, dark knights aren't mages. they are mages with third attack. good that we sorted that out. they have mage hp. they have 2 defenses like a mage, or one if they dual wield. they are supposed to win with their spells. they don't get ward or other protection spells except protection from good. they are a mage that can be lagged, blinded, disarmed, raked at will.

    My eq was bad? So wraith bands, red dragon, teeth necklaces, dark oak, are bad eq? He's wearing treant thews.

    Get this, I did MORE damage when I attacked him without any unholy strength up. How does that work? Does it have something to do with UnStr being regarded as magical enhancement and having its damage gimped by ninja Endure skill? I don't fucking know. all I know is I was pulling MUTILIATE through sanc on the sandy trail west of valour and his spamming clobber for 4 rounds didnt work. it took him 4 rounds to figure this out, and he ran off at 60% health and perma hide by guards. This is the ONLY time it's ever been a close fight, because he's still doing his buff damage.

    I didn't skirmish. yeah, casting spells keeps you from skirmishing. dark knights have mage health and aff spells.

    my hitroll. it was around 19-20 +4 more for Frenzy. And I didn't hit. Wow. I can roll on my current UNDER 30 giant and hit human ninjas with a hitroll of 20. Wouldn't you call that hitroll good?

    My eq was bad so my damage was bad. again, red dragon, wraith bands, dark oak, teeth necklaces, AND frenzy on top putting out 28-30 damage roll, and my eq was bad. OK!!!! makes sense!!

    Charge skill. I tried that. Counter balance shuts it down. every time I charge, it claimed he dodges it. So don't use charge on counterbalanceds. It blows.

    I even went balls to the wall frenzy dual wield. and with the same result you see in terms of how much I damage him vs how much he damages me.

    I don't have the weight capacity for another two hand weapon. my limits were stressed enough with a polearm and a whip and dagger. so say goodbye to claymore or another weapon.

    an old halberd
    Object 'halberd' is type weapon, material iron.
    Extra flags: wild.
    Weight is 20 lbs, value is 2000, level is 20.
    Weapon type is polearm.
    Damage is 6-24 (average 15).
    Two-handed weapon.
    Affects hitroll by 2.
    Affects damroll by 2.\t\t
    Mob: The bugbear
    Area: Thalos
    Worn on: polearm
    Submitted by Narcana, 4/26/11

    Wait, Im not chaotic.

    a mighty halberd

    Object 'halberd' is type weapon, material steel.
    Extra flags: magic.
    Weight is 16 lbs, value is 1620, level is 29.
    Weapon type is polearm.
    Damage is 2-28 (average 15).
    Two-handed weapon.
    Affects damroll by 2.
    Affects hitroll by 2.

    At rank 33 I have no disadvantage in wielding this thing.

    Double enhanced damage from a two hand. damroll suit. frenzy on top. Doing mauls. fucking bullshit.

    33 dark against a 35 ninja. Yeah, real fuckin fair.

    and I used the two hander thinking I could limit two hand vs me or dual wield, to limit damage so I could defend with set parry and cast affs.

    I dare any of u fucks to play an invoker or necro and don't use weapon ward and try to switch for advantage while also using spells.

    useless.
  9. tayyah Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Simura created on 06th of October 2011, and is currently 21 years old (98 hours played).

    there is alot more aspects I think that needed to be looked at. 98 hours for a lvl 35 is alot of training, I bet he is rocking alot of mastered skills, against if im assuming correctly, you only have 37 hours... how many skills you got mastered? How are your defences in terms of %, I bet his are mastered if not very close. From what I see from this log is, you eatting sidesteps while being combat/weapon disadvantaged, with a mostly hidden prompt. The only conclusion that I can come too is that you posted this purely as flame bait. Its been posted over and over and over, so many times, that I just dont understand. This is not the place for something to be done about changes, this is a private website that has absolutely no connection to the mud, other than the fact that it is about the mud. For real change you need to post on the forums, this site is purely for our entertainment.
  10. simura Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    98 hours played = too much free time.
  11. kalist Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    Dark-knights suck at level 35. Invokers/illusionists/necromancers/healers/shaman suck at level 12.

    This game isn't meant to be played at level 12 or 35. It'd be impossible to have every class balanced at every level. Instead, they design it so classes are balanced at 50.

    Dark-knights are very hard to play (maybe underpowered, I don't know yet), but there is more room for error at level 50 due to the higher hp and movement.

    Fighting rogues/warriors really hurts due to the combat spam, but take a look at them and if they are wearing crap saves, throw in a curse before you start the affliction spam.
  12. Jluppy Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    you guys have completely ignored The gear vs the damage. I did mutilate with no unholy strength. Unholy strength, frenzy, red dragon, teeth necks, wraith bands. two handed polearm that gets DOUBLE ENHANCED DAMAGE, and doing mauls and decimates. This makes NO sense.

    Combat and weapon advantages. it used to be a foreign weapon caused you to fail parry at a certain rate. They split this rate in half, and gave the other half to weapon advantage. thats right, advantage and disadvantage is half of the parry difficulty of old school foreign weapon type.

    Combat advantage? How is that relevant? Neither him nor I get skills that pertain to combat style. There is NO advantage or disadvantage for either of us to have combat type advantage. Because of that,I reasoned that going two hand to get set parry and force him to want to dual wield would work in my favor. if he dual wields thinking combat style is an issue, he loses a defense.

    I've played quite a few dark knights so I'm not just bitching from one set of data. This problem is constant no matter how many I roll and how I play them.

    Since you mention defenses as if they matter

    <357hp 503m Kayon walks east.
    You follow Kayon.
    By a Stream

    [Exits: north south west]
    Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
    There is a cheerful brownie here chatting merrily away.
    There is a nymph here frolicking in the stream.
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 503m
    The rain stopped.

    <357hp 503m
    Kayon quaffs a potion of monster resistance.
    Kayon is surrounded by a green aura.

    <357hp 503m gr
    Kayon's group:
    [29 Thi] Venadin 100% hp 100% mana 88% mv 193077 xp
    [21 Ber] Kayon 96% hp 97% mana 88% mv 140821 xp
    [13 Pet] Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 6546 tnl
    [28 Dkn] 100% hp 100% mana 95% mv 5309 tnl

    <357hp 503m
    Kayon tells the group 'Dont forget your rank help you.'

    <357hp 503m
    Kayon winks suggestively at you.

    <357hp 503m
    A lady ranger is blinded by the dirt in her eyes!
    Kayon's kicked dirt scratches a lady ranger.

    <357hp 503m
    A lady ranger's punch hits Kayon.
    Your slash MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Your slash MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush mauls a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <357hp 503m gt Im counting on it
    You tell your group 'Im counting on it.'
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your wild slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 503m Kayon: 90%hp>
    Venadin's kicked dirt scratches a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 503m Kayon: 90%hp> libo
    You lost your concentration.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 496m Kayon: 90%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash wounds a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 496m Kayon: 87%hp> libo

    Kayon tells the group 'I know you are.'
    You lost your concentration.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 489m Kayon: 87%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Your slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 489m Kayon: 81%hp> libo

    Venadin's circle stab MASSACRES a lady ranger!
    Your lightning bolt DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 474m Kayon: 81%hp>
    A lady ranger rubs the dirt out of her eyes.
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 474m 391mv Kayon: 74%hp> libo
    Your lightning bolt DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 459m Kayon: 74%hp>
    Your slash misses a lady ranger.
    Kayon's crush misses a lady ranger.
    Kayon's crush misses a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 459m Kayon: 74%hp> libo
    You lost your concentration.
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 452m Kayon: 74%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Your slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <357hp 452m Kayon: 71%hp> libo

    A lady ranger is blinded by the dirt in her eyes!
    Venadin's kicked dirt grazes a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <357hp 457m Kayon: 72%hp> Your lightning bolt maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash devastates a lady ranger!
    Your slash decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 69%hp> libo

    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash misses a lady ranger.
    Kayon's crush devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is DEAD!!
    You receive 292 experience points.
    A lady ranger's hand is ripped from her arm.
    Kayon gets 225 gold coins from the corpse of a lady ranger.
    Kayon splits 225 gold coins. Your share is 75 gold coins.
    Kayon sacrifices the corpse of a lady ranger to The Overlord.
    Kayon splits 34 gold coins. Your share is 11 gold coins.

    <357hp 442m > Cast the lightning bolt spell on whom?

    <357hp 442m
    Kayon walks west.
    Venadin walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    In the Emerald Forest

    [Exits: north east south west]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A nymph looks coyly at you, then winks mischievously and dances away.
    There is a cheerful brownie here chatting merrily away.

    <357hp 442m
    Kayon walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    In the Emerald Forest

    [Exits: east south west]
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A small pixie stands here laughing cheerfully.
    A nymph looks coyly at you, then winks mischievously and dances away.
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 442m
    Kayon walks south.
    Venadin walks south.
    You follow Kayon.
    In the Emerald Forest

    [Exits: north south west]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.

    <357hp 442m
    Kayon walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Emerald Forest Choir

    [Exits: east west]
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
    A nymph looks coyly at you, then winks mischievously and dances away.
    Kortho the Wordgiver is here. Is he going to give you... a word ?
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 442m
    Kayon's kicked dirt misses a lady ranger.

    <357hp 442m
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 62%hp> dirt lad
    A lady ranger is blinded by the dirt in her eyes!
    Your kicked dirt scratches a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 62%hp> Venadin's kicked dirt grazes a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 62%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch misses Kayon.
    Your wild slash MANGLES a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 62%hp> libo

    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash devastates a lady ranger!
    Your slash DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 55%hp>
    Kayon gets a wild look in his eyes.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 442m Kayon: 67%hp> Your lightning bolt MANGLES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 427m Kayon: 67%hp>
    Venadin's circle stab MASSACRES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <357hp 427m Kayon: 67%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    A lady ranger trips Kayon, sending him to the ground.
    A lady ranger's trip misses Kayon.
    Your slash devastates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger deflects your slash aside in an ungraceful parry.
    Kayon's crush devastates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 427m Kayon: 63%hp> libo
    Your lightning bolt DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <357hp 412m Kayon: 63%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Your slash devastates a lady ranger!
    Your slash DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <357hp 412m Kayon: 60%hp> libo
    You lost your concentration.
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <357hp 405m Kayon: 60%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your slash maims a lady ranger!
    Your slash decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <357hp 405m Kayon: 57%hp>
    Venadin's circle stab MANGLES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <357hp 405m Kayon: 57%hp>
    A lady ranger's punch injures Kayon.
    Your wild slash DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    Your slash DISMEMBERS a lady ranger!
    Kayon's crush devastates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is DEAD!!
    You receive 312 experience points.
    A lady ranger's head is shattered, and her brains splash all over you.
    Kayon gets 136 gold coins from the corpse of a lady ranger.
    Kayon splits 136 gold coins. Your share is 45 gold coins.
    Kayon sacrifices the corpse of a lady ranger to The Overlord.
    Kayon splits 34 gold coins. Your share is 11 gold coins.

    <357hp 405m gt okay, my turn.

    Kayon walks east.
    Venadin walks east.
    You follow Kayon.
    In the Emerald Forest

    [Exits: north south west]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks in.

    <357hp 405m You tell your group 'Okay, my turn.'

    <357hp 415m gt the sceptre
    You tell your group 'The sceptre.'

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon gets a potion of monster resistance from a Big Ol'Pack Sack.

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon gives you a potion of monster resistance.

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon stops wielding a chieftain's sceptre.

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon gives you a chieftain's sceptre.

    <357hp 415m wear sce

    Kayon walks west.
    Venadin walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Bonanza


    [Exits: north east south west]
    The corpse of Murp is lying here.
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    There is a cheerful brownie here chatting merrily away.
    The Grand Pooh-Ba stands here in coloured robes looking busy.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks in.

    <357hp 415m You stop wielding a withering scythe.
    You wield a chieftain's sceptre.
    You are skilled with a chieftain's sceptre.

    <357hp 415m Kayon walks south.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks south.
    You follow Kayon.
    In a Myrtle Shade

    [Exits: north west]
    (Charmed) A tall, long-nosed puppy is here, protecting his owner.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    (White Aura) Sir Sorrow the sad knight stares into the sky.
    A ranger stands here, inspecting the ground.
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon walks west.
    Venadin walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Wood Area

    [Exits: north east south]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A small pixie stands here laughing cheerfully.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks in.

    <357hp 415m wear shi
    You wear a small buckler as a shield.

    <357hp 415m quaff res
    Kayon walks south.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks south.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Southern border

    [Exits: north west]
    (Charmed) A tall, long-nosed puppy is here, protecting his owner.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    There is a sprite here about to pelt you with an acorn.
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 415m
    Kayon walks west.
    Venadin walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Green Vines


    [Exits: north east west]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    There is a sprite here about to pelt you with an acorn.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks in.

    <357hp 415m You quaff a potion of monster resistance.
    You are surrounded by a green aura.

    <357hp 415m Kayon walks west.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    Woodkeeper's Clearing

    [Exits: north east]
    (Charmed) A tall, long-nosed puppy is here, protecting his owner.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
    There is a sprite here about to pelt you with an acorn.
    Venadin walks in.

    <357hp 415m dirt lad
    A lady ranger is blinded by the dirt in her eyes!
    Your kicked dirt scratches a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <357hp 415m gr

    You parry a lady ranger's punch.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite wounds a lady ranger.
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's punch devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

    <357hp 415m 389mv>
    Venadin's kicked dirt misses a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

    <357hp 415m
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite wounds a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite injures a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's punch devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <334hp 415m
    Kayon wields a sharp adamantite axe.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <334hp 415m Kayon's group:
    [29 Thi] Venadin 100% hp 100% mana 92% mv 193794 xp
    [21 Ber] Kayon 56% hp 51% mana 47% mv 141990 xp
    [13 Pet] Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 6546 tnl
    [28 Dkn] 93% hp 82% mana 93% mv 4705 tnl
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <334hp 415m
    A lady ranger's punch injures you.
    You awkwardly parry a lady ranger's punch with a loud clang.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <321hp 415m libo
    Your lightning bolt devastates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <321hp 400m
    Venadin's circle stab misses a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <321hp 400m
    A lady ranger's punch injures you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite wounds a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger deflects your crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
    A lady ranger deflects your crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
    Kayon's slice misses a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <308hp 400m libo
    Your lightning bolt MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <308hp 385m
    A lady ranger's punch misses you.
    A lady ranger's punch misses you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite wounds a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Your crush devastates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice maims a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <308hp 385m gr
    Kayon's group:
    [29 Thi] Venadin 100% hp 100% mana 92% mv 193794 xp
    [21 Ber] Kayon 56% hp 51% mana 47% mv 141990 xp
    [13 Pet] Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 6546 tnl
    [28 Dkn] 86% hp 76% mana 93% mv 4705 tnl
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <308hp 385m libo
    Your lightning bolt decimates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <308hp 370m
    A lady ranger rubs the dirt out of her eyes.
    You awkwardly parry a lady ranger's punch with a loud clang.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger deflects your crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
    Kayon's slice maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <308hp 370m
    You feel less protected from creatures.
    You feel less protected.
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <313hp 374m
    Venadin's circle stab MASSACRES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <313hp 374m libo

    A lady ranger's punch wounds you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite DISEMBOWELS a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <294hp 374m Your lightning bolt devastates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <294hp 359m
    Your shield wobbles and barely deflects a lady ranger's punch.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush devastates a lady ranger!
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <294hp 359m prot
    You can't concentrate enough.
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <294hp 359m libo
    Your lightning bolt MASSACRES a lady ranger!
    Your lightning bolt electrocutes a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is DEAD!!
    You receive 232 experience points.
    A lady ranger's eyes are pulled out of her head.
    Kayon gets 256 gold coins from the corpse of a lady ranger.
    Kayon splits 256 gold coins. Your share is 85 gold coins.
    Kayon sacrifices the corpse of a lady ranger to The Overlord.
    Kayon splits 34 gold coins. Your share is 11 gold coins.

    <294hp 344m prot

    Kayon walks north.
    Venadin walks north.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Wood-Path

    [Exits: north south west]
    (Charmed) A panther cub is here, quietly serving its master.
    Venadin the Master of Taste is here.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A small pixie stands here laughing cheerfully.
    There is a sprite here about to pelt you with an acorn.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks in.

    <294hp 344m
    Kayon walks west.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy walks west.
    You follow Kayon.
    The Tombstone

    [Exits: north east]
    (Charmed) A tall, long-nosed puppy is here, protecting his owner.
    (Green Aura) Kayon the Berserker is here.
    A beautiful lady is talking to some animals here.
    Venadin walks in.

    <294hp 344m 412mv> You lost your concentration.

    <294hp 327m prot
    You feel aligned with darkness.

    <294hp 292m a lad
    libo
    A lady ranger awkwardly parries your crush with a loud clang.
    A lady ranger is in excellent condition.

    <294hp 292m
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Your shield wobbles and barely deflects a lady ranger's punch.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has a few scratches.

    <284hp 292m You lost your concentration.
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush wounds a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

    <272hp 285m
    A lady ranger is blinded by the dirt in her eyes!
    Venadin's kicked dirt scratches a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has some small wounds and bruises.

    <272hp 285m libo

    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    A lady ranger trips you and you go down!
    A lady ranger's trip scratches you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite injures a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice mauls a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <246hp 285m 412mv>
    A lady ranger's punch misses you.
    A lady ranger's punch misses you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <246hp 285m Your lightning bolt decimates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <246hp 270m
    Venadin's circle stab misses a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <246hp 270m libo

    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice devastates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice maims a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has quite a few wounds.

    <241hp 276m Your lightning bolt MANGLES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <241hp 261m libo

    You awkwardly parry a lady ranger's punch with a loud clang.
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush decimates a lady ranger!
    Kayon's slice devastates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <231hp 261m Your lightning bolt devastates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

    <231hp 246m gr

    A lady ranger rubs the dirt out of her eyes.
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice decimates a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <219hp 246m libo

    Venadin's circle stab MASSACRES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <219hp 246m Kayon's group:
    [29 Thi] Venadin 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 194038 xp
    [21 Ber] Kayon 60% hp 53% mana 67% mv 142382 xp
    [13 Pet] Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 6206 tnl
    [28 Dkn] 61% hp 48% mana 100% mv 4473 tnl
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <219hp 246m Your lightning bolt decimates a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger looks pretty hurt.

    <219hp 231m
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    Kayon's slice maims a lady ranger!
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <208hp 231m libo

    Kayon snickers softly.
    Your lightning bolt maims a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <208hp 216m
    You parry a lady ranger's punch.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger deflects your crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
    A lady ranger deflects your crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
    Kayon's slice misses a lady ranger.
    Venadin's flaming bite MUTILATES a lady ranger!
    A lady ranger is in awful condition.

    <208hp 216m
    A lady ranger's punch hits you.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy's bite misses a lady ranger.
    Your crush mauls a lady ranger.
    A lady ranger is DEAD!!
    You receive 212 experience points.
    A lady ranger splatters blood on your armor.
    Kayon gets 271 gold coins from the corpse of a lady ranger.
    Kayon splits 271 gold coins. Your share is 90 gold coins.
    Kayon sacrifices the corpse of a lady ranger to The Overlord.
    Kayon splits 34 gold coins. Your share is 11 gold coins.

    <197hp 216m gr
    Kayon's group:
    [29 Thi] Venadin 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 194354 xp
    [21 Ber] Kayon 60% hp 53% mana 67% mv 142770 xp
    [13 Pet] Thistle the tall, long-nosed puppy 100% hp 100% mana 100% mv 5858 tnl
    [28 Dkn] 55% hp 42% mana 100% mv 4261 tnl

    <197hp 216m
    Kayon tells the group 'Even with your ranks you where about where i was.'

    <197hp 216m gt it looks like we're an even match in tanking ability
    You tell your group 'It looks like we're an even match in tanking ability.'

    <197hp 216m gt exactly
    You tell your group 'Exactly.'

    7 rank advantage and equal or less parry and shield blocks. dark knights are NOT warriors. They are at best mages with third attack and no weapon ward.

  13. kalist Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    The only response I'm going to make for now is to say that when I mentioned "combat spam", I did not mean combat style vs rogue.

    "combat spam" means that warriors will fuck you with combat skills, while rogues will fuck you with weapon matchup skills.

    I was acknowledging that it is a shitty deal.

    Does using a cursed weapon prevent any of that stuff? I haven't worn one since the changes have gone in.
  14. Jluppy Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    no. it prevents the autodisarm(thrown onto already pimp damage combat skills for the lolz I suppose), but it does not prevent the raking or usage of weapon or combat skills like weapon ward.
  15. Kapruski Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    MrCarb

    Joined: 20 May 2006
    Posts: 172

    PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:33 am Post subject: \tReply with quote
    From what I've seen of unholy strength, just running after them spamming murder should be a pretty good bet. I've seen dark knights do crazy damage in really mediocre eq.

    I'd consider red dragon to be mediocre to good eq. the basic set for dk is fiery fangs, as dav has said in the past. with frenzy there shouldn't be any reason you're hitting mauls. There must be a bug somewhere and it might be related to luck/damage penalties for having too much hit/dam/eq.

  16. erlwith Dark Knights are shit tier. -
    DKs are highly luck based. You get a few good rounds, you start with a good weapon and style matchup, and you get a few good rolls on fireball and you'll generally win just about every fight. (Of course chasing with 45 seconds of unholy left is not that fun..)

    Warriors are guaranteed a certain amount of leeway, thieves will generally land their dirt kicks. Dark knights are really just a matter of good planning and the luck of the draw.

    I remember one of my first DKs. I was some 6 or so levels below a FG warrior. He was whooping me, but I got a lucky round of full unholy strength, sanc fall and iclcles for DEMOLISHES.

    Like dav said, they are literally glass cannons. Some times your cannons hits its mark dead on, maybe it misses... or maybe it even backfires.