JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar

posted on 2011-11-08 22:04:41
Dhua had been fighting Kragnar out the south gate a bit then left so I healed up and let Kragnar do the same. Then in front of him prepared and went south. He began with this comment which I think was something about him scaring Dhua off??

(calm)(773hp 750mp 369mv 38692gold)
sca all
Kragnar tells you 'Whad, yous wand dwy doo? wun liken dem leada.'




****CUT A BUNCH OF ME SCANNING NORTH****



(calm)(773hp 825mp 394mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Kragnar walks in.
(UNPROTECTED) Kragnar yells 'Help! Eloret's icicle is freezing me!'
You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar has a few scratches.

(aggressive)(773hp 810mp 394mv 38692gold)
n
icic kragnar

[** ] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
Kragnar's smash maims you!
You rebuke Kragnar's chaotic attack with your shield.
Your rebuke devastates Kragnar!
Your ice shield DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive)(737hp 810mp 394mv 38692gold) No way! You are still fighting!
Kragnar has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive)(737hp 810mp 394mv 38692gold) You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive)(737hp 795mp 394mv 38692gold)
[***] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
You rebuke Kragnar's chaotic attack with your shield.
Your rebuke devastates Kragnar!
Kragnar's beating maims you!
Kragnar's smash DISEMBOWELS you!
Your ice shield wounds Kragnar.
Kragnar has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive)(652hp 795mp 394mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Orluk walks in.
A young cow walks in.
Kragnar has some small wounds and bruises.

(aggressive)(652hp 795mp 394mv 38692gold) You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle MASSACRES Kragnar!
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 394mv 38692gold)
Orluk scans all around.
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 394mv 38692gold)
Kragnar has fled!
Kragnar walks north.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 394mv 38692gold)
n
icic kragnar

Kragnar walks in.
Orluk looks at Kragnar.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 394mv 38692gold)
Kragnar walks south.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 394mv 38692gold) The Trail to Miden'nir

[Exits: north east south west]
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 391mv 38692gold)
s
icic kragnar
They aren't here.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 391mv 38692gold) The Miden'nir

[Exits: north south west]
(Charmed) A young cow is here, grudgingly following its master.
Orluk is here.
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 388mv 38692gold) They aren't here.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 388mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar
They aren't here.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 388mv 38692gold)
s
icic kragnar
A Crossroads

[Exits: north east south]
A long polearm with a curved blade is here.
Directions have been etched into a small sign.
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 385mv 38692gold)
s
They aren't here.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 385mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar
Muddy Ground

[Exits: north east south west]
A bird flies about here with his eye sockets full of blood.
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 382mv 38692gold)
s
They aren't here.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 382mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar
The Dark Path

[Exits: north east south]
(White Aura) Kragnar is here.
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(652hp 780mp 379mv 38692gold)
sca all
(UNPROTECTED) Kragnar yells 'Help! Eloret's icicle is freezing me!'
You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle MANGLES Kragnar!
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(652hp 765mp 379mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

[* ] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
[** ] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
[** ] You parry Kragnar's smash.
Kragnar's smash MUTILATES you!
Kragnar's smash maims you!
Your ice shield mauls Kragnar.
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(582hp 765mp 379mv 38692gold) You scan all around.
You scan north.
*** Range 1 (north) ***
A bird flies about here with his eye sockets full of blood.
*** Range 2 (north) ***
(Charmed) A young cow is here, grudgingly following its master.
Orluk is here.
*** Range 3 (north) ***
Aflaro is here.
Sheoul is here.
*** Range 6 (north) ***
(Charmed) A wrinkly, ugly puppy is here, snarling at nothing.
You scan east.
You scan south.
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(582hp 765mp 379mv 38692gold) You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle MUTILATES Kragnar!
Kragnar has quite a few wounds.

(aggressive)(582hp 750mp 379mv 38692gold)
Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
[** ] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
Kragnar's smash MUTILATES you!
Kragnar's beating devastates you!
Kragnar's smash MUTILATES you!
[** ] You parry Kragnar's smash.
Your ice shield MUTILATES Kragnar!
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(477hp 750mp 379mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Orluk walks in.
A young cow walks in.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(477hp 750mp 379mv 38692gold) You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle DISMEMBERS Kragnar!
Sheoul walks in.
Aflaro walks in.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(477hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
Sheoul looks at you.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(477hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Orluk looks at Kragnar.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(477hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
[***] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
Your freezing bite DISMEMBERS Kragnar!
Kragnar's smash devastates you!
Kragnar's beating devastates you!
Your ice shield DISMEMBERS Kragnar!
Kragnar looks pretty hurt.

(aggressive)(415hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
Sheoul looks at Kragnar.
Kragnar looks pretty hurt.

(aggressive)(415hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
Kragnar gets a wild look in his eyes.
Kragnar's blazing ember injures you.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(401hp 735mp 379mv 38692gold)
The clouds disappear.
Your force shield shimmers then fades away.
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(411hp 762mp 394mv 38692gold) You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle decimates Kragnar!
Kragnar has some big nasty wounds and scratches.

(aggressive)(411hp 747mp 394mv 38692gold)
Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar's smash MUTILATES you!
[***] You parry Kragnar's smash.
[* ] You parry Kragnar's smash.
Your ice shield DISMEMBERS Kragnar!
Kragnar is in awful condition.

(aggressive)(369hp 747mp 394mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Kragnar has fled!
Kragnar limps east.

(aggressive)(369hp 747mp 394mv 38692gold)
n
They aren't here.

(aggressive)(369hp 747mp 394mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar
Kragnar limps in.
Muddy Ground

[Exits: north east south west]
A bird flies about here with his eye sockets full of blood.
A large, adolescent dragon flies in.

(aggressive)(369hp 747mp 391mv 38692gold)
icic kragnar

Kragnar limps in.
(UNPROTECTED) Kragnar yells 'Help! Eloret's icicle is freezing me!'
You conjure a magical bolt of ice and launch it at Kragnar.
Your icicle DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
[* ] Kragnar parries your freezing bite.
Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar's smash DISMEMBERS you!
Kragnar's beating MUTILATES you!
Kragnar's beating MUTILATES you!
Your ice shield DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
Kragnar is DEAD!!
You hear Kragnar's death cry.
  1. oreno JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    what is interesting about this fight comparing it to the elf invoker fight is probably the damage done. Eloret is hitting just as hard as Kragnar and Krag is using a vuln weapon. The obvious difference is probably the hp difference from a gnome to an elf, since you get 5 pracs right and you have more con anyway.

    But the biggest difference is Krag didn't murder flee, he used wild weapons which damage him from justice shield rebuke. With Krag getting 2 or 3 hits per round, fight may have gone differently if he initiated, instead of eating icicle after icicle.

    But thats the point for RNG, flee if its not going your way and resume again, don't just sit there and die.
  2. caidolese JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    How is it on average that the blunt vuln is doing less damage over all than the iron vuln is on an elf? let me guess... rng. at least I have multiple vets backing the facts.

    also, love that gnome health with warrior eq. man thats stout.
  3. sifor JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    Clearly he's moving... so this isn't the case, but why is he fighting like he's linkdead?
  4. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    Mmm bandwidth owned.
  5. kragnar JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    Naw all ive been fighting is healers so i was trying to get in the first couple rounds berserked. Efore i got the calm that wasnt coming. I was actually caught off guard i was more trying to figure out a blunt weapon that i was holding that wasnt wild and going to rebuke pwn me than i was watching the dmg... Definately not my best performance
  6. kragnar JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    By the berserk thing i actually lagged myself with theee faiked berserks when i dd berserk thatwas qhen i got cntrl back
  7. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    gnome blunt vuln did get a pretty noticeable damage reduction when all the vuln changes went through a while ago.

    I don't think anyone ever said the RNG was the issue with the damge, mainly that the RNG is responsible for him getting so many high damage hits in that you don't block.

  8. morgit JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    I would imagine his blunt weapon is low attack, high defense? Mace maybe.

    Also, Eloret used an enchanted icy blue dagger here it looks like. If you choose to use a low defense weapon against a fire giant as an invoker, thats what to use. Plus his gear is pimped.
  9. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    the attack/defense values of weapons have nothing to do with damage cause, only matters in terms of parrying. before combat modules, davarus or some other imm basically said that if anyone was using anything other than mace to fight with they were fooling themselves.

  10. morgit JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    my understanding was that high attack weapons increase the chance of bypassing parry, and high defense weapons increase the chance of succefully parrying. Invokers don't dodge, so when I see rounds like this:

    (aggressive)(411hp 747mp 394mv 38692gold)
    Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
    Your freezing bite DISEMBOWELS Kragnar!
    Kragnar's smash MUTILATES you!
    [***] You parry Kragnar's smash.
    [* ] You parry Kragnar's smash.
    Your ice shield DISMEMBERS Kragnar!
    Kragnar is in awful condition

    Vs rounds like this:

    <441/966hp 186/347m 174/444mv 5101gp no opponent no opponent aggressive> Caidolese yells 'Help! I am being attacked by Rothak!'
    Your slice DISMEMBERS Caidolese!
    Your slice DISEMBOWELS Caidolese!
    Your slice DISMEMBERS Caidolese!
    Your slice DISEMBOWELS Caidolese!
    Your slice DISEMBOWELS Caidolese!
    Your slice DISMEMBERS Caidolese!
    Caidolese's ice shield decimates you!
    Caidolese is in awful condition.

    I think weapon type difference has something to do with it. Granted, Rothak's per hit damage appears higher, but his gear is also better than Kragnars, and Kragnar did hit a dismember through sanc in this log.

    If I'm wrong about this stuff, let me know. Thats good info to have.
  11. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    Well those are two different perspective rounds. Also, ROTHAK uses a slice weapon in the other round while KRAGNAR using a smash weapon in the first one. One is completely decked at all times, the other is not.

    Weapon type only makes a difference in parry chance vs to-parry chance. hitroll makes a difference in parry chance and dodge chance. strength makes a difference in parry chance.

    Weapon average also plays into it. Remember when we talked about RNG. The less rolls a weapon has, the more it's damage will be all over the place.

    if you have 1 dice and it rolls for 12 sides, thats called 1d12 and it has 1 to 12 damage, with 6 being the average.

    if you have 4 dice and they are 6 sides, you have 4d6, with less dice, you have a higher chance of getting max damage than with more dice.

    if you have 6d4, the max is the same, but the amount of rolls means the total will be closer to the average, on average, and it will be more rare to get extremes of high or low damage without good or bad rolls/luck.

    the more dice you have, on your weapon, the more stable your damage is per hit. So from the example, we can conclude that Rothaks weapon is very stable and reflecting his decked status, while kragnar's weapon is more unstable, and from a glance it looks like he would do mutilate->disembowel with a more consistent weapon.
  12. Narcana JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    @ Kapruski's last message:

    the actual average of 1d12 is 6.5 and not 6. We can't roll that on any given roll, but the average is still 6.5. I have learned some methods of determining the average roll of almost any number of dice. (I've studied probability a fair bit, and have an interest in dice from Monopoly and AD&D.)

    An odd number of odd-sided dice is simple. Say, 5d5.

    The midpoint of 1 and 5 is 3. Multiply that by five and the average is 15. Simple enough.

    Now, take an even number of odd sided dice. Let's make it 6d5.

    Again, the midpoint is 3. 6x3 = 18, so it's again easy to calculate.

    Now, an even number of even sided dice is also fairly easy to calculate. Say, 6d6. The average of 2d6 (which I figured out after playing Monopoly for so long and reading up on it) is 7. 6/2=3. 3x7 = 21.

    An odd number of even sided dice inevitably results in an average ending in .5 . Multiply any odd number of dice by 2, find the average, and divide by 2. The answer invariably has a remainder of 5.

    That said, some of the best weapons are those with a high number of small sided dice. The Sword of the Seasons is 25d1, and has a high hit/dam bonus. The ice staff is nice not just because of the average (which is definitely a key point), the fact that it is an ice attack (again a very nice factor), but also because it has a very stable damage output and high minimum (anywhere from 11 to 33 total, average of 22, dice being 11d3).

    And yes, weapon average makes a big difference.
  13. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    The arithmetic mean of a normal fair die is 6.5. Its geometric average is about 6.
  14. ninza JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    big props to eloret for spamming icicle.. should spam hellstream like all the invokers.. you dont have to think about tactis just spam friggin hellstream.. ahaha
  15. Kapruski JUSTICE Eloret vs LEGION Kragnar -
    what else do u do as an invoker ninza? They have no mals. They have some fallback on huge damroll RNG winning, but other than that they have remove sanc and damage damage damage.