Adwaud vs. Tipplwise

posted on 2010-03-28 17:54:59
<903/903hp 623m 324mv> no opponent no opponent [river evasive] day quaff purple
You quaff a purple potion.
You aren't blind.
You are surrounded by a white aura.

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dirt $$
Windswept Plateau of the Dwarven Mines

[Exits: east down]
A wolf climbs in.

<903/903hp 623m 319mv> no opponent no opponent [mountain evasive] day Base of the Ladder

[Exits: east up]
A wolf climbs in.

<903/903hp 623m 313mv> no opponent no opponent [mountain evasive] day e
They aren't here.

<903/903hp 623m 313mv> no opponent no opponent [mountain evasive] day dirt $$
Road to the Dwarven Mines

[Exits: south west]
A wolf climbs in.

<903/903hp 623m 307mv> no opponent no opponent [mountain evasive] day They aren't here.

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[Exits: north east south west]
(Charmed) Worked to death many years ago, this cursed slave keeps going relentlessly.
(White Aura) (INTRUDER) Adwaud is here.
A wolf walks in.

<903/903hp 623m 299mv> no opponent no opponent [road evasive] day dirt $$

You turn Adwaud's attack against him.
Your slash devastates Adwaud!
Adwaud's crush DISMEMBERS you!
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<846/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft defensive [road evasive] day Adwaud is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
Your kicked dirt grazes Adwaud.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<846/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft defensive [road evasive] day
Someone flies in.
Someone walks in.
Someone walks in.
Someone lumbers in.
Someone walks in.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<846/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft defensive [road evasive] day
Your slash decimates Adwaud!
An undead slave's punch wounds you.
You awkwardly parry an undead slave's punch with a loud clang.
You dodge Adwaud's crush.
You dodge Adwaud's crush.
The cold touch of a starfoil handmace surrounds you with ice.
Adwaud's freezing bite scratches you.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<824/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft defensive [road aggressive] day
Adwaud stops using a Knight Melancholic's shield as a shield.
Adwaud tightens his grip around a starfoil handmace.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<824/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Adwaud parries your slash.
Adwaud dodges your slash.
Adwaud parries your sting.
Your shield arm is numbed.
You parry an undead slave's punch with an easy flourish.
You nimbly dodge an undead slave's punch with a practiced maneuver.
You dance around an undead slave's punch and easily dodge it.
You deflect Adwaud's crush aside in an ungraceful parry.
Adwaud's crush DISMEMBERS you!
The cold touch of a starfoil handmace surrounds you with ice.
Adwaud's freezing bite scratches you.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<760/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Someone sits down and rests.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<760/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day wear shield
Your shield arm distends painfully from the strain of the attempt.
Your arm distension hits you.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<751/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Adwaud rubs the dirt out of his eyes.
Your weapon advantage overcomes Adwaud's parry attempt.
Your slash mauls Adwaud.
An undead slave's punch wounds you.
You parry an undead slave's punch.
You parry an undead slave's punch.
Adwaud's crush MASSACRES you!
The cold touch of a starfoil handmace surrounds you with ice.
Adwaud's freezing bite scratches you.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<664/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Your shield arm regains its strength.
Adwaud awkwardly parries your slash with a loud clang.
Your sting decimates Adwaud!
Your slash devastates Adwaud!
You dodge an undead slave's punch.
An undead slave's punch mauls you.
You dodge an undead slave's punch.
You dodge Adwaud's crush.
Adwaud's crush misses you.
Adwaud's crush DISMEMBERS you!
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<585/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day dis
You fail to disarm Adwaud.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<585/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Adwaud strikes you with his weapon and attempts to hobble you.
Adwaud's hobble devastates you!
You clutch your leg painfully as you begin to hobble.
Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

<562/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Your slash decimates Adwaud!
Adwaud couldn't dodge your sting but you miss by inches.
You parry an undead slave's punch.
You parry an undead slave's punch with an easy flourish.
You parry an undead slave's punch with an easy flourish.
You parry Adwaud's crush.
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<562/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Your slash misses Adwaud.
Adwaud parries your sting.
Adwaud parries your slash.
Adwaud awkwardly parries your sting with a loud clang.
You parry an undead slave's punch with an easy flourish.
You block an undead slave's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte MUTILATES an undead slave!
You parry an undead slave's punch.
Adwaud's crush MASSACRES you!
Adwaud concentrates on his combat style to inflict more damage.
Adwaud's crush MANGLES you!
The cold touch of a starfoil handmace surrounds you with ice.
Adwaud's freezing bite scratches you.
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<405/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day dis
You fail to disarm Adwaud.
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<405/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Someone stands up.
Your slash devastates Adwaud!
Your weapon advantage overcomes Adwaud's parry attempt.
Your slash maims Adwaud!
You dual parry an undead slave's punch.
You block an undead slave's attack and attempt to strike at the brief opening.
Your riposte MUTILATES an undead slave!
Adwaud concentrates on his combat style to inflict more damage.
Adwaud's crush MANGLES you!
Adwaud concentrates on his combat style to inflict more damage.
Adwaud's crush MANGLES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Adwaud's crush MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<148/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Adwaud raises aloft a starfoil handmace for a mighty overhead attack!
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<148/903hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day flee

Your two weapons are overpowered by Adwaud's overhead crush.
Adwaud's overhead crush DISMEMBERS you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
Adwaud disarms you and sends your secondary weapon flying!

Adwaud disarms you and sends your weapon flying!
You are knocked to your knees.
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<84/913hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Your leg recovers enough to move normally again.
Adwaud couldn't dodge your punch but you miss by inches.
You couldn't dodge an undead slave's punch but it misses by inches.
You dance around an undead slave's punch and easily dodge it.
You dodge Adwaud's crush.
Adwaud's crush MASSACRES you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
The cold touch of a starfoil handmace surrounds you with ice.
A chill sinks deep into your bones.
Adwaud's freezing bite scratches you.
You sure are BLEEDING!
Adwaud has quite a few wounds.

<15/913hp 613m 352mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
Your punch decimates Adwaud!
Your punch decimates Adwaud!
An undead slave's punch wounds you.
You are incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
You have been KILLED!!

You turn into an invincible ghost for a few minutes.
As long as you don't attack anything.


I just want to ask, how the fuck is that balanced? He's doing MANGLES through sanctuary? There's no way I can compete with that. With my average twenty four bow and water arrows I was still only doing DISEMBOWELS.

Don't get me wrong, I deserved to die here, but seriously, MANGLES? That's not right.
  1. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    The Mangle only came from concentration...
  2. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    and two handed deals more damage... Oh well.
  3. mullet Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Adwaud, you are a faggot. Stop defending shit that is so clearly over powered. Mangles through aura. Jesus christ.
  4. Shadok Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    That's why Gnome warriors are difficult to play. You are weak to crush, of course he's going to do that through sanctuary. Gnomes can easily one pra things to 71% then put the rest into hit points. Basically what happened here was you played it poorly, and Adwaud saw opportunity. If you didn't want to deal with this unbalance, you could've easily just have given your things to him. Then you cry because game mechanics don't pull in the favor of balance? Make it balanced, get better dweeb.
  5. retard Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    ^this
  6. mullet Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    There's no way I can compete with that. With my average twenty four bow and water arrows I was still only doing DISEMBOWELS.

    Dwarves and gnome vuln is the same.
  7. tipplwise Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    I'm not whining that I died shadok, I understand that I played this incredibly poorly trying twice to disarm a double gripped overbeared weapon, staying in combat while disadvantaged eating vuln rounds, etc. I'm not whining that I died here because of atonement, I'm just using this to make a point. I'm just pointing out that this is a ridiculous amount of damage that I could not hope to compete.

    You're right, the MANGLES were with concentration, but that shows that for normal attacks you're doing upper echelon DISMEMBER and MASSACRE damage. We have the same vuln, if things were balanced, then we should be doing the same damage with vuln weapons. I was wearing a two-handed bow (double enhanced damage, same style you were in) with water arrows and I was only doing DISEMBOWELS and if I was lucky a DISMEMBERS or the odd MASSACRE with concentration.

    To quote Shadok: "If you didn't want to deal with this unbalance"? wtf? So you admit there there isn't balance. The game is supposed to be balanced. That's one of its biggest draws is that anyone can beat anyone else given the right circumstances.

    To summarize: in similar situations, the Keeper dealt massively more damage than his target which leads me to the conclusion that atonement is still overpowered.

    This is derived from deductive logic, if you want me to spell it all out, I'll happily do it for you.
  8. rezakhan Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Dwarves and gnomes have the same strength? I wasn't aware.
  9. Shadok Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    I'm sorry Tipp I should've clarified myself a little better.

    There was sarcasm meant, so it should have read as If you didn't want to deal with this "unbalance" then you should've just handed over the items to not be uncompliant.

    To quote Tipp: "I'm just pointing out that this is a ridiculous amount of damage that I could not hope to compete." Sounds to me like you had already given up before the fight even started. You were probably thinking Dear god, I don't wanna deal with a freaking Keeper because they're so overpowered. In reality that's probably why you handled that fight so poorly. Quit focusing on the idea that you have about keepers being unbalanced and figure out ways to get around it. If you do that, and you win, then maybe, just maybe keepers are balanced.

    FYI- Skill has alot to do with a battle being balanced or one-sided, you can't change that. So get better, or don't be a gnome.
  10. tipplwise Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    I did so poorly because Adwaud out-psychologied me. He learned from our last fight and adapted his style to pwn my ass.

    FYI, a Keeper in treant thews shouldn't have a free skill that lets him significantly outdamage his rared opponent. Their damage should theoretically, if everything is working right, be equal so that the fight is as balanced as it can possibly be so that skill is the dominating factor. With the Keeper doing shittons more damage, then that requires less skill on the side of the Keeper and more skill on the side of the Keeper's target in order for the non-keeper to win, and if both players are equally skilled, the advantage is in the Keeper's court, which I do not think is right.
  11. pip Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    umm adwaud is not suppose to be using weapons from winter shopkeepers, so...
  12. Shadok Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Treant thews? Get fiery daggers, flame lance, flaming longsword, something to counter act that gear. Dav already made that for people with your same theory, use it and see how that works?
  13. Adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Pip: I'm not? They have more or less the same stats as my shopkeeper previously. I went to get it after the shop got removed. If I'm not supposed to, then i'll dispose of it. It's fine by me.

    Ok, to be very fair i'll say I was hitting a tad hard against you. You aren't even using my vuln unless you're using water arrows, so all I need is to either stay out of that, or bait you for it. As you said i adapted to it. If you're drowning only disembowel me, you're hitting me lighter than a decked out healer, meaning you're not decked enuf I guess. As I say, Azazhog is Dismembering me through sanc. Give that set to a warrior, i'll be eating massacres probably mangles.

    I have no idea how Dav is going to balance this, but in this fight, you did poorly, you gotta admit. Missing out many things like disarm while overbeared, arm distention wielding shield etc etc.
  14. retard Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Well look at it..Adwaud doesnt even have atonement at the moment, and you still say Keepers are OP.

    What are you basing that on now? Expose armor?
  15. retard Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Irepat: He kicked your ass with mangles and doesnt have atonement
  16. garistha Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    retard: You sly guy, you know where that damage is coming from don't you. muahahaha.

    to all: if you thought that was atonement think again. and if for those of you who thought atonement shift was a nerf. think again........
  17. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Atonement was just shifted away. Mangle came from concentration... Stop saying I'm mangling you consistently. My damage range shd be dismember to massacre, which is pretty fine. Probably a semi decked warrior with a good weapon pounding u, that's about it. Isn't that what dav wanted to achieve thru keepers?

    That's what you get from playing gnome isn't it? Crushing sucks.... Deal with it.
  18. kalist Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    It's not keepers that are overpowered, it's dwarf warriors.

    Dwarf warrior = noob cannon = likes men

    When did they get the 22str buff anyway? It's weird to see all of the Avindus stuff get nerfed but then see a race buff.
  19. Mandor Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    when have they not had 22 str? I always thought they had 23+ anyway.
  20. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Oh yea tippl.

    "I was wearing a two-handed bow (double enhanced damage, same style you were in) with water arrows and I was only doing DISEMBOWELS and if I was lucky a DISMEMBERS or the odd MASSACRE with concentration. "

    How do you concentration with bow? You cant even hobble with it...
  21. kalist Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    It's been 21 since I started playing (mid-late first age) right up until recently (maybe 2-3 years ago?).

    I think it got bumped up to 22 around the same time the Avindus stuff was getting removed (power of roiy, dual parry for berserkers, etc).
  22. Hrimo Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Dwarves have been 22 str since I started playing (mid 03?) back when there wasn't a roll for char creation, just a standard deficiency in stat points that you made up for via initial trains and leveling.

    Gnome warriors have a harsh vuln, and those exploiting that vuln tend to have a significantly higher strength than the gnome. Gnomes are squishy, and always have been. Just because you're a warrior doesn't mean you can just stay in battle like, for instance, a fire warrior.

    This fight is more a skill issue than anything else. You were right when you said you were psychologically defeated first. If you think you're losing going in, well.. you're right and your play style in that fight will reflect.

    By the way, this is what beat you.

    Adwaud stops using a Knight Melancholic's shield as a shield.
    Adwaud tightens his grip around a starfoil handmace.
    Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

    <824/903hp 608m 299mv> shaft two_handed [road aggressive] day
    Adwaud parries your slash.
    Adwaud dodges your slash.
    Adwaud parries your sting.
    Your shield arm is numbed. <<<<<
    You parry an undead slave's punch with an easy flourish.

    You should have noticed to situation at LEAST by here if you didn't catch the former round:

    Your shield arm distends painfully from the strain of the attempt.
    Your arm distension hits you.
    Adwaud has some small wounds and bruises.

    Just from these two rounds, and Adwaud's actions in battle tell me a few things:

    1) You were dual wielding, this is why Adwaud double gripped his weapon
    2) Adwaud's weapon was overbeared, see HELP OVERBEAR for what this skill enhances
    3) When that round happened, overbear was put to use, you overextended your dual wield attack and got your offhand attacked parried by him, thus the arm distension.
    4) You did not respond to that, so now you're down a defense tanking a vuln at that moment in combat inferiority as a good dex/low str warrior, but you stayed in battle. Then hobble sealed the deal.

    NONE of that had anything to do with any Keeper skill period, but you're so upset at seeing capitlized damage on your screen that you missed the important things.

    You'll get better, but this isn't the issue you're arguing about.
  23. Hrimo Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Oh and yeah... where did you get that mace from Adwaud? A previous fight? I know you didn't go to Winter for it. You are aware that's where it comes from (though it's not rare or technically gambled)? No starfoil anything. Since that's a technicality (though I thought a known and not to be messed with one), I need to go ahead a note it up that all weapons must come from Thera's plane.
  24. Hrimo Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Oh wait, that's right. We don't have a cabal weap shop anymore do we? Hmm.. that would still have to be the rule though.
  25. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Haha. Hrimo, how would u know i didn't go into winter to buy them? I did actually. At that time I had nothing to fight with, shop was closed, nothing, so I went in to get it. Just takes some time, it can be done.

    Dwarves from what I know was 22 str all the way since i started in 02? 02 or 03. Although I hardly played dwarf at tt time.

    So hrimo, the stand is no starfoil weapons? We cant go in to buy or we cant use them? If we get it off someone, can we use them? They aren't rot death.
  26. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    and.... winter isn't thera's plane? Haha.
  27. Hrimo Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    You know what I mean. Realms. Winter is a seperate place.

    But this has been discussed, as for now anything not rare or gambled is fine. But you shouldn't be so far as at war with yourself.
  28. adwaud Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    Eh, what has that got to do with me doing anything? As long as our hours played are high, rating's are good, sooner or later, we will be the strongest cabal in the realms. That makes us at war with ourselves. How am I supposed to prevent that?
  29. Hrimo Adwaud vs. Tipplwise -
    We aren't at war with ourselves, things are just "balanced" in that case. Think about it. "Balance reigns through the realms" or however the title is.